I'm in the factory when the factory workers busted their ass, dry year, up to three million profit .1985 year, I went to the audit institutions, a look at some departments of a problem in the tens of millions of tens of millions, was very uneven . At that time, I have a kind of invisible pressure, with the words, it is problems, the audit does not want you to go wrong after the report to the NPC, the NPC report to do not want your announcement to the public.
- I always thought all these years, the core issue of finance is to open to the public. you publicly, and people can refer to pointing point, you do not open, and some say the people have heard do not understand how to give your comments ah.
- should be said that most countries of the audit institutions, are independent of the Government. Membership of the Government, up to the world two or three countries. There are now some of the original membership changed over the government, such as Sweden and Thailand. It is a fact. We do not avoid this question.
- In the past, each visit Auditor-General have asked the foreign: the audit of your system in China is not independent? recent years, no one asked.
- I have been speaking in the whole Department of the General Assembly, I do not give you the power to increase wages, and not so promoted multi-location to you, but I can work with everyone to create a favorable audit environment. is standing in the community to audit, influential work of pride.
- auditors should have what kind of temperament ? I thought, one is You should be responsible to whom. The second is Department should be one of the. although not equal, Li Jinhua, the Audit Commission, Audit Commission does not mean that national audit institutions, but in civil society, people are always willing to simplify the way the audit institutions of the achievement of performance equivalent to the Audit Commission will Li Jinhua, the Audit Commission's performance is equivalent to the performance. People will not hesitate to praise them without reservation to the Auditor-General of the outgoing.
Li Jinhua's outstanding reputation, thanks to .2008 times early morning on February 25, Xicheng District in Beijing No. 1 North Park, the National Audit Office revealed party conference room, talking about all these years why the extraordinary performance of audit organs, Li Jinhua, first of all thanks to the era of reform and opening up the background. In his view and left the environment of reform and opening up, there is no rapid economic development, and no rule of law is becoming more perfect, the Audit Commission and it is difficult to achieve what his personal achievements.
when saying this, the reporter can feel the head and to the kind of sincere and calm his .65-year-old, wearing a jacket shirt, casual trace rigorous. Indeed, in terms of historical trend, Li Jinhua, the individual audit history of 23 years, is the 25-year history of the Chinese part of the audit, and 25-year history of China is 30 years of audit history of reform and opening up a part of. to observe the large historical perspective, no one can go beyond the achievements of the history of the palm. Li Jinhua is no exception.
Audit has been able to civil society aroused waves of applause, the key is the tide of anti-corruption audits play a role in overcoming all obstacles. In a country as Conceal, the Audit Commission a touching their national ministries of these irregularities. Li Jinhua, summing up the historical experience of the audit authority, also said the impact of the audit and the audit revealed a large number of major violations of law, violations, provide clues to a large number of major economic crimes are inseparable.
It is said that the audit of two-term prime minister from the wise decision. Auditor-General is the Prime Minister, without the approval of two-term prime minister, In a broad view of history, perhaps far too simple. deeper reason is also in the audit of the Government's Huangzhongtailv played the rule of law, and the government on the rule of law, the history of the beat. open, sunny, clean, efficient, responsible, five years, eager to deliver to the public, coincide, it is like a cornerstone, has been carefully laying the Government and the Prime Minister's House, the government under the rule of law.
true that the objective situation is conducive to the audit turned out brilliant, but on a narrow decision to deny the history of history the human initiative, Li Jinhua individual is to ignore the creative value of the government audit, it is unjust.
At the end of this interview, our photographer put the corner in a conference room chair, I hope He had to take a shape of the photo. He did not go to the corner, but stopped in front of a painting .2006, a Suzhou painter Auditing Organization for the tenth session in Asia, drew a lotus pond in full bloom, praise Auditor accessible world of righteousness, Li Jinhua, the top left corner in the painting himself wrote the long as the last interviews with the media. control of other material, to allow journalists to believe that he is able to navigate the stage in the audit and contribute to the unique value of an official, largely because he is a real dreamer. or that he is an idealism realist. born in the old society, long under the red flag, he belongs to a generation that idealistic environment, created a senior party officials in the state of the public sense of responsibility to society. interview, he mentioned several times annual award is given to the economic figures of his time, those of us media people are guessing, he will not be appearing at the presentation site. Finally, as members of the State Council, he is sound in people's expectations, to the media for his arrangement of flowers and the stage. Later, reporters heard, even the staff around him did not stand him to receive the awards. However, he swept away the old rules of the minds, with his unique understanding of the value of the media, no turning back walked to center stage, an open road for China's government has taken a special step.
But Li Jinhua is realistic. China has chosen and most of the world countries are not the same audit system, and, in realistic context, too many objects to be audited, while the national audit system is only eighty thousand people, most of its equipment is professional quality and technical level are difficult to undesirable county auditors, how to resolve this seemingly irreconcilable contradictions ? He said that to understand the philosophy of race Tian Ji, made to select the most likely thing to do, to make full use of favorable factors under the existing conditions.
snail shell to do good dojo Li Jinhua, it is so In a historical context at the right moment, with the idealists of the feelings, the realist approach, conform to the requirements of the times, played a historical responsibility of their own, as the Chinese government planned a beautiful trial comma, so that a less of the heroic era of the lack of promise alone.
Li Jinhua Resume:
1943 年 7 month old, Rudong people. postgraduate education, senior auditor.
1965 年 6 joined the Communist Party of China.
1966, graduated from the Central University of Finance Department of Finance, the same year in September to work. served as faculty of Northwest Finance, Ministry of Aviation Industry Plant, deputy director of the Political Department of the CPC Committee, director.
1971 Ministry of Aviation Industry since successive 572 factory accountant, financial leader, workshop full-time deputy secretary of Party branch, factory, deputy director of political department;
1982, he served as director of Ministry of Aviation Industry 572 plants, the CPC Shaanxi Provincial Committee;
1985 年 5 months to August appointed Director of Shaanxi Provincial Economic and Trade Office of the CPC Leading Group.
1985 年 至 March 1998 the Audit Commission appointed Deputy Auditor General.
1998 年 3, he was appointed auditor general of the party group.
March 2003 re-election Audit Office.
2007 年 11 months, Li Jinhua was elected member of the United Nations Board of Auditors, which is the first time the United Nations since the founding of the Chinese people and the successful candidate elected to this position.
(Source : Xinhua)
a few days, the Auditor-General Li Jinhua to do a decade, coming to an end 23 years of personal audit of his career .2 25, Lu Xicheng District, Beijing North Garden Party National Audit Office No. 1 conference room, in his personally inscribed
dialogue Li Jinhua of the
Li Jinhua: Looking back 25 years, the history of government audit, I think, based on national conditions, take the road with Chinese characteristics, the audit is the most important and basic experience. the early 80s of last century, when the newly established Audit, we have some good to learn from foreign experience and practices, but we do not simply copy from the audit systems of any country, and always stick to their own way. Furthermore, we have always adhered to , focused, pragmatic, seize the rectification and announcements to improve the effectiveness of audit work. I think the audit benefits include two aspects, one is economic, one social benefits. is a direct economic benefit, for example, some of the basic construction projects, the future of our audit, subtract capital up to about 10% of its budget, and some even cut the project budget by 50%. Another is to recover the misappropriated funds to. the last 5 years, leaving only the audit, to 191.9 billion yuan to increase revenue for the country. Another example is said that the power to handle the audit of the current audit requirements of the conflict can not be met, seize the key, with limited input Bode enormous benefits.
addition, there are Road high ridge. Audit Commission in the later, we told him that audit institutions to strengthen the . global ratio, not the top can be considered middle class. audit, ah, not everyone thought that audit. Now a lot of units have no tradition of books, so we are now a lot of auditors out of the audit, the audit is basically a paperless , went to that with a computer, and then create a small LAN, where data conversion over it.
number of major cases, if not through the computer audit and could not find. We have an audit of the South a bank, to find that many small business, you guarantee me, I guarantee you, each other loans, loans for about 11 million. We are very surprised to check their registration. auditors of these small businesses all the information, all collected and compared through the computer and found that business owners name, location, business scope, registered capital, is not the same, but the company left a phone number. This is certainly a man dry. We submit to this public security departments, and finally found two brothers, forged a variety of industrial and commercial registration and information, defrauding a bank loan of 11 million, and most of all flow has gone abroad. the problem, if it is difficult to rely solely on manual audit found.
SW: In a cautious advocate of the country, you on TV every appearance, are we pleasantly surprised. I ask, what inspired you to through the media, the power of dialogue with the public?
Li Jinhua: In recent years, some of the public on the Government not satisfied with the place. roots in what? I think that is an important aspect of transparency is not high. This is my very deep experience of these years to be a problem. much better now than in the past , but in general people understand the work of the government, or too few. I have a point of view, there is a problem not necessarily opaque, but the question must be opaque. even if government departments do not fraud, but does not open, people also suspect that your government fraud. If the government and the people of this between the windows, this wall is very transparent, even if you did something wrong, we all can understand. all these years, I advocate more with the media. you and the people said that he has the right to choose, say, and supervision, a variety of rights, but he was not even the situation are not clear, how to exercise these rights?
last I went to the United States, the Auditor General specifically asked me to introduce our cooperation with the media approach. We are the media own initiative to provide information, take the initiative to discuss with the media, how to get a good response to this information, play a role in promoting social stability. press scrutiny and government oversight, and audit oversight, and ultimately are designed to increase government authority to improve the government work and promote social stability rather than to social chaos.
SW: the last decade, the Audit Commission how the government how to take a public road, it is how to promote the Chinese government to the Sunshine Government forward?
Li Jinhua: I said, sunlight is the best preservative. all these years we have been promoting the public. I put the audit report truthfully government, also recommended the government to truthfully report to the Standing Committee. Standing Committee began to report, on the public way, is released. press release began very simple, two-page In 1998, I served as Auditor General. the second year of the audit report on the proposed press releases and not differences too, Premier Zhu accepted our advice, press releases and reports are basically not much difference. After this, the report directly to the National People's Congress made public, there is no problem press release.
from the beginning of this century to the introduction of audit results announcement system. In addition to involving state secrets, personal privacy protected by law the content of each of my reports made public. Now we all used to it, we already notice a very thick one was. foreign counterparts come to us to notice. shows that the Chinese government is bright Well, is not it?
administrative affairs, audit institutions we should take the lead. Now, our own budget open to the public, will also open to the public accounts. and then a audit plan and openness. future auditing standards, auditing standards, these must be open to the public, so that we monitor you.
I always think that the core issue of finance is to open to the public. you publicly, and people can react, do not public, and some say the people have heard do not understand how to give your comments ah.
SW: Notice how the motion was initially appear? departments have been announced what kind of reaction? will not give your pressure?
Li Jinhua: Premier Wen has a point: the audit should not only expose the problem, but also focuses on promoting the rectification of the problem, give a responsible account of the people. So report annually to the National People's Congress, the Prime Minister to Audit report on the improvements specifically to listen to. rectification and to what extent, money is not collected, the problem is not solved, including the finalization of our audit recommendations had not, he should be asked.
after the Standing Committee also proposed, Government should report on those issues in June, a report by the end of the rectification of them, whether the rectification was not, you can not repeat offenders ah repeated investigations. And these two reports would be open to the public.
now, two announcements have been a system has. in the world, with the exception of the auditing department of China not only to investigate the problem, but also urge you rectification problem. other national audit institutions of the rectification is a rectification did not matter, and report to Parliament, to complete the task.
due We audit and supervision, public opinion and public supervision together, so every time the report came out, waves of online comments on a variety of illegal acts is a kind of pressure. To be honest, a lot of units in many departments, the original is not I hope you audit problems, the audit does not want you to go wrong after the report to the NPC, the NPC report to the public announcement does not want you.
This is a double-edged sword. the implementation of a notice, if we are out of audit quality problems, the audit institutions to public review, and to bear the responsibility. Therefore, we are a lot of pressure, but also has the advantage, helping to improve audit quality. auditors have to be responsible for every word. < br> SW: Audit of the significance of the anti-corruption, not only won the Prime Minister's reputation, have won hundreds of thousands of people. I ask the Auditor General, 25 years, the audit are exposed and dealt with a number of major cases? < br> Li Jinhua: 25 years of statistics, I did not. the last five years, the audit system to the discipline inspection and supervision departments, the judiciary has over 8300 cases of transfer, involving more than 12,000 personnel. This is not all serious cases. the beginning We are also within the different views on this issue, and said why go to investigative audit department. Then I said that the audit authority is not specifically anti-corruption investigation of crimes. However, a citizen discovered the corruption and economic crimes, he has the right and obligation to report, why do not we audit institutions?
these years, why so much of the audit, the audit revealed a large number of major issues and a large number of illegal clues in major economic crimes are inseparable. for those who embezzled a large number of national assets for economic crimes, the auditors will not discover the crime is the people. We asked auditors, can not miss any clues. If you let these clues major issues in your hand slip off, that is, of crime protection.
end, we established a number system, one of which is the audit information system. found significant problems in a timely manner to the State Department report. the past five years, the Prime Minister all the information we report on the instructions of a 390 number. Another is the establishment of
petition system. us much better clues to the case made by petition. Recently, we encountered such a thing, some local farmers come to us, saying that without the required compensation for land requisition issued to them, and later a investigation, that was all children.
SW: relative to the investigation of major cases, the Audit Commission has for some with a universal, tendency, measures of macro issues and suggestions put forward, this lack of understanding of the Chinese people. Based on what you consider to require that the audit efforts of the authorities peg?
Li Jinhua: I think the audit is not only exposed the problem, ah, correct the problem, but also with a tendency to seize, macroscopic issues, audit and puts forward countermeasures and suggestions. Daqing oil field a few years ago we conducted an audit investigation, the sustainable development of Daqing put forward our proposals. Prime Minister attached great importance to ah, the Prime Minister say that he took our Daqing to open audit reports to the spot.
audit can not discuss the issue on the issue, there must be constructive and forward-looking. all these years, the Audit Commission on the overall situation related to national economic issues, such as counterfeiting accounting field, detailed departmental budgets, standard transfer payment, to guard against financial risks, the debt problems of universities, two-tier tax issues, county debt and so on, one after another suggested. although it is not immediate, but history will make a conclusion. Ten years ago we proposed necessary to regulate the transfer payment, recently, you see, the general secretary's report at the congress which proposed this problem.
some suggestions, we do not know how many years to mention, the overall proposal as long as we are right, every year we say, will eventually be accepted.
SW: see the Audit Commission has done the last decade, how do you evaluate the performance of the Audit Commission?
Li Jinhua: You must first emphasize that the 25 the performance of audit work, in fact, China's reform and opening up, especially the strengthening of democracy and legal system performance of the larger environment. In this context, how to evaluate the audit? play score? I said up to 70 minutes. Why? say there is still much room for development, with many countries than there is a big gap. So I always think that China audit, still in the initial stage.
dialogue, Li Jinhua, the ; you can not find a perfect system, What kind of audit of the road?
Li Jinhua: It should be said that most countries of the audit institutions, are independent of the government. part of the government, up to the world two or three countries. There are some original under the present government came to change, such as Sweden and Thailand. It is a fact. We do not avoid this question.
So, why did not China's audit system, independent of the Government, but also made such a big effect? the past, each A visiting foreign Auditor-General have asked: Do you audit system in China is not independent? recent years, no one asked. Recently, I was elected as the United Nations Board of Auditors, unanimously passed, no one raised the issue of Chinese institutional audit. This shows that: they recognized under the current system in China has played a significant role in the audit.
Southern Weekend: Back in the early 80s, why do we choose to administrative-type audit system?
Li Jinhua: As far as I know, In 1982, the central government when discussing the establishment of audit institutions are controversial, one felt that under the National People's Congress, a view that as part of the government. But then, we just restore people's congress system, and the government is big government. historical conditions, so we have chosen the part of the Government's audit system, the Audit Commission to the Prime Minister.
SW: Audit Act 1994, and why will require but also to the Standing Committee report commissioned by the Prime Minister?
Li Jinhua: I did not participate in the discussion of the bill. But as far as I know, did not start this one. Finally, when Congress added. This is the China Audit a complete system, in fact shows that the government is responsible not only for the audit work for the government services, it is also responsible for the NPC, the NPC service.
SW: For decades, many countries you've visited the audit institutions, but also received many visiting foreign Auditor-General, do you think the Chinese audit and audit of the West, what is the difference?
Li Jinhua: We are still in the planned economy to a market economy, a special historical period. We have to proceed from reality, determine the audit work. For example, the mid-90s of last century, we is engaged in finance, is engaged in performance practice performance, in fact, we still feel inseparable. to go to a unit, both revenues and expenditures on some of the illegal problem, but there are efficiency losses in the waste. So We put the audit and performance audit of financial revenues and expenditures together. There are some projects we've made the auditing, performance auditing, environmental auditing joined together. For example, we audit, use, and environmental audit of its results.
our audit of the different Western countries, the key in the Some Western countries find it strange that you are not judicial ah?
us and justice for the close collaboration of other departments. We found some clues to direct the transfer, some transfer instructions by the leadership. very fast and efficient.
Our audit of financial revenues and expenditures and economic responsibility audit is combined. not only the audit of a department, and the audit leader. economic responsibility audit is probably the world's only China is doing in other countries may have, but not much.
Our audit oversight and supervision are combined. I tell you frankly, auditing and supervision was good with China is one of them. I have to go abroad, some of the Auditor General told me, their most troublesome is the reporters, and journalists do not want to deal with.
SW: comparison between Chinese and foreign audit system, how do you evaluate the merits of the two?
Li Jinhua: Now the system has a unique history of our background, in the present historical circumstances, there is no unique advantages abroad.
an executive decision that we have. We can legally decided to confiscate the illegal gains you on your fine, and then transferred to other departments concerned to require hold him accountable. I recently went to Israel, they are very envious of the Auditor-General we have this power, they do not ah.
second, many of our problems are resolved through administrative means. I can report to the Prime Minister, recommendations. rectification was so quickly. This is not foreign.
then there are our audit and government departments are closely linked. For example, discipline inspection, judiciary, public security, etc., we can obtain their support. In Under the current circumstances, which our work is very beneficial.
course, China's audit system has its deficiencies side, for example, in some places there are defects in the independence of the audit.
SW: the face of our the merits of the system over the past decade, how do you avoid weaknesses in?
Li Jinhua: the existing system, the key lies in how the audit agency resources to maximize your advantage. how full and active party to rely on, rely on the government, relying on National People's Congress, including relying on the media. to consider several aspects of how to play positive factors. are both advantages and disadvantages of any system, you can not find a perfect system. China, the system does have its positive side, there are defects side. with a development perspective, China's audit system has its reform and development of space. I believe, to a certain time, this system will be some changes accordingly. However, major institutional change is to amend the constitution, to wait until history When conditions are ripe.
SW: your current term, and promoted the introduction of amendments to the Audit Law. For the revised Audit Law, it was considered not good enough, for example, local audit institutions of the dual leadership system not changed. In this regard, how would you rate?
Li Jinhua: revised Audit Law, many people hopes that the system is a breakthrough in ah, is not able to vertically ah. I tell you This is a constitutional issue, you have to change the constitution to be amended.
us this amendment, without breaking the premise of the constitutional framework, adding some content of the economic responsibility audit, which is the departure of the audit, written into the put on the state-controlled financial institutions and state-owned enterprises to get a hold of audit issues. another one, on the means of public funds for personal storage of queries ah, accounting data, asset storage, ah, do some binding provisions. I that this is a good, power to develop, constraints also have to keep up. Light has the power to restrict it is not bad.
dialogue, Li Jinhua, the have for several decades increasingly high expectations are increasingly high. you think that your successor, your future colleagues, how should respond to increasing pressure and expectations?
Li Jinhua: twenty years of work with my experience, I say: to do a lot of audit institutions, as a leader, the key is in the range of statutory, select we can do, but through the efforts of the things you can do, seriously trying to do the best .
national audit institutions now have 8 million people. We have a lot of audit cadres always say, I am a heavy task, ah, ah not finish. These years, I have been speaking with Secretary of Auditors at all levels, to know how to choose. you do not sure, do not blindly do it. We have audited the project identification is very careful. what to choose, what to do, why they chose this, and some began to election time we should determine what the final result. Why do these years the audit report in the community can lead to some impact, because we choose well chosen audit. As a leader, you can not whim, can not go along with the wind. So all these years the Audit Commission did not raise any slogans, and I do not advocate talking about personal style are not unrelated. review your audit career, what you feel? an auditor should have what kind of ethos?
Li Jinhua: Our life in the old generation, long under the red flag. I grew up very poor, the people on the grant-funded primary, secondary and university. of the Chinese Revolution, the party's emotional, very deep. However, we experienced a Great Leap Forward, the anti-rightist, the Cultural Revolution, the same feelings of profound lessons.
I have been to the countryside, visited the factory, the workers on peasants is very understanding of the community. I'm in the factory when the factory workers busted their ass, dry year, up to three million profit .1985 year, I went to the audit authorities to look, some departments, a problem that millions of tens of millions, was very uneven. when I have a kind of invisible pressure, with the words, it is > I often say, do not feel that the situation in the country very well, all right, we should see a considerable part of the lives of ordinary people or difficult. Ten years ago I had told the German Auditor General speaking, we catch up with you in Shanghai Berlin Or how long, but China's rural countryside of Germany to catch up with you, I'm afraid one or two years. So, when the criminal waste of public funds ah, ah, was not too happy.
I served as Deputy Auditor-General time, adhere to the words mm I have been speaking in the whole Department of the General Assembly, I do not give you the power to increase wages, and no place to you so much promotion, but I can work with everyone to create a favorable audit environment. the so-called good audit environment, is to make the audit standing in the community, influential work of honor, so many years I was to do. I feel that the responsibility of the state and the people's responsibility and the responsibility of our team, unified. In retrospect, The purpose is basically done.
SW: In your alma mater, Central University of Finance, in Nanjing Audit University, you are a model for many young people in mind. Do you think there should be an auditor what kind of ethos? you want the temperament of those infected by your young people what to say?
Li Jinhua: auditors should have what kind of temperament? I thought, I'm afraid words:
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